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Tuesday, September 05, 2017

Taking down the Fake Right

On Wednesday, September 6th at 7 PM Eastern, I'm going to be debating Andrew Anglin, the Fake Right phony behind the Daily Stormer, on whether National Socialism is of the ideological Right or Left.

One of the various Anglins had been repeatedly crying about being shut out of the chat when I debated Greg Johnson on the same subject, so, being the kindest of Dark Lords, I graciously decided to give Mr. Anglin the opportunity to do the same. He accepted, despite many of his fans claiming that he was too busy, or too important, to do so.

Tara McCarthy will host and a similar format will be utilized. Since I have already made a public case with which at least one Anglin is familiar, he will have the opportunity to go first.

These Fake Right individuals are nothing more than attention-seekers trying to utilize the Jon Stewart strategy of hiding behind their clownishness whenever they are called out. They erroneously believe their popularity will protect them, and fail to recognize that their much-cherished "brands" are of no interest or importance to those who are only interested in the truth and philosophical coherence.

To paraphrase the man himself, Andrew Anglin is just a crybaby who can’t take the heat. He asked for it and it serves him right. He didn’t understand how the interwebs worked and he paid the price.

Some of the more interesting responses to my offer of a debate. It is more evidence of Vox's First Law in action. What I find particularly amusing is the way the Swastika Parrots so often regurgitate certain terms in a manner that indicates they have no grasp of what the words they are using actually mean.

Will To Power@ImperivmEvropa
You aren't even white, faggot. You don't have a say in our movement. Go shill somewhere else.

American Nationalist@American_Nationalist
My only response is you guys are in for a rude awakening. I've tried debating VD anonymously about this exact subject. He responded, came after me hard, and I did better than Greg Johnson, but nowhere near close to victory. Anglin has no chance. None of you guys do.

Clayton Elmy@Cledun
Your retard Glenn Beck political spectrum is the failed branding. No one gives a fuck about that shit but retarded boomers. All the young smart kids who you think you can capture will see through your empty arguments and see ours are superior. They will come to us because the truth belongs to us.

3yrsin@3yrsin
Calling them out, indeed. This should be done any time the political Right gathers in public. Let the Nazis that show up know that they are not, never have been, and never will be part of the Alt-Right (or any part of the American Right). They need to be publicly ridiculed and cast away.

Tom Tomo@Tomo
Lol. Dude, all you do is backstab people on the right.

MrAnonymous@MrAnonymous
Nobody wants to buy you're cucked book on Amazon. Fuck off and attach yourself to the next big thing and move on.

Skout Icus@Iamscouticus
Yep. @voxday isn't nearly as sharp as he LARPs, or he'd be more self-aware. Everybody but him sees what a sad lil sack he is- motivated by envy in the SF scene, and here. He whines about John Scalzi, George RR Martin, and Anglin, because they're all more successful than him.

Niccolo Machiavelli@theprince
I don't think this is a good idea. It's just a cerebral version of punching a Nazi.

Fabius Maximus@Fabian_Nazism
WOW You are worse than the enemy. You and all those like you are getting sifted.

Lee Rogers@infostormer
Interesting that this @voxday character posts all sorts of insane ramblings and lies to counter signal @AndrewAnglin and the Daily Stormer right in the midst of today's Gab controversy. He's either nuts, intentionally trying to misdirect people's attention, or both. You pick!

Folk@Folk
Have you tried being a less dissatisfying failure? Maybe the problem isn't them, if there are so many dissatisfied conservatives for them to market a Fake-Right-That-Wins to. Perhaps the problem is you.

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146 Comments:

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 05, 2017 6:20 AM  

Popcorn time!

Anonymous Andrew Anglin's Birth Certificate September 05, 2017 6:21 AM  

Very happy to see this happening. This is a winning issue for you. People like Richard Spencer are not nationalists.

Blogger Bodo Staron September 05, 2017 6:28 AM  

I suspect we're going to witness the worst collapse of National Socialism since the fall of the Third Reich.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 05, 2017 6:31 AM  

Ivan Throne thanks Vox as "Vox Day, Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil". Ivan Throne. These people will never get it.

You can argue with Vox, but not many have the chops. But if you do, you'll realize why you're unlikely to be in a situation where it's worth doing it. People read the Greats; they don't actually learn enough to implement the Insights.

Related, but this whole situation is giving some interesting insight into the Buckley Purges. Since the ideological basis was always attitude & moral preening, the "conservative" label was lost before it start. Whether "alt-right" lives or dies isn't important, in the grand scheme, but the philosophical basis of the 16 points matters are lot. Plus, well, preventing a "Nazis" from causing problems for the Right is actually fairly easy pickings.

Really, "National Socialists" are suddenly defenders of Order & Christianity? Being to the "Right" of Mao does not make one "of the Right".

Anonymous Looking Glass September 05, 2017 6:36 AM  

@3 Bodo Staron

Oh, we need to break out the Downfall memes.

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2017 6:52 AM  

The Fake-Right appear to be a combination of Gammas, Feds and well meaning but misguided young people. They can keep the first two groups.

Anonymous Neobali September 05, 2017 6:55 AM  

The Nazicucks unironically think they are popular and the next big thing. Even after the universal thrashing they received post-Cville.

They are jobbers whose only purpose is to make the Left look good and the Right look bad. Every time Spencer or the Nazicucks do an event, it repels people away from the Alt-Right, Alt-Lite and the Right in general. They are a burden on the rest of us.

They are far too attached to a failed meme. And they need to learn to adapt as the situation changes. Nazi LARPing may be funny on 4chan. But when you have leveled up to impacting real world politics, you need to be more sophisticated in your memetic tactics.

Anonymous Strange Aeons September 05, 2017 7:04 AM  

"Attach yourself to the next big thing and move on"
This, from the crowd that hasn't gotten any attention in years until they latched on to alt-right momentum...

Blogger Wanderer September 05, 2017 7:15 AM  

@8

Nazi cosplayers and LARPers on the chans originally rejected the Alt-Right label and claimed they were merely "the real right" and that anything else was "kikery" or whatever. Then, when Hillary made the term famous, Spencer and the rest suddenly started claiming that they were the true Alt-Right all along. Meanwhile, Vox has been consistent in his support of the Alt-Right brand name all this time.

Personally, I think the brand is cancer at this point. Normies want nothing to do with it. The principles of the Alt-Right are indeed inevitable, but the brand name is worth jack shit.

Anonymous Martin September 05, 2017 7:24 AM  

Isn't Anglin a performance artist..? What did you challenge a performance artist to debate, and how does it differ from debating other shock seeking obscure so-called performance artists such as menstruation blood painters etc? Also, are you now part of the performance art?

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2017 7:25 AM  

@Wanderer: I have mentioned before my reluctance to abandon the Alt-Right name. Doing so has the whiff of an apology to SJWs about it that I would prefer to avoid.

That said, if the brand has become toxic to the goals of American Nationalism as defined by the '16 Points', then we have to abandon it.

Anonymous Britannia September 05, 2017 7:35 AM  

Vox you will obviously wipe the floor with low IQ Anglin, but you also need top tier twitter memes. Stick with the classics and watch the Stormweenies go ape:

https://i.imgur.com/CJ5swLW.png

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 7:39 AM  

That is good. But I rather like the #DailyMemeWars one today.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 7:39 AM  

That said, if the brand has become toxic to the goals of American Nationalism as defined by the '16 Points', then we have to abandon it.

FFS, give up the idiotic "brand" talk. It's totally irrelevant.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 05, 2017 7:46 AM  

@11 ZhukovG

Given the damage that "Alt-Left" ended up doing in return fire, I'm not sure most people even know what "Alt-right" is still. Hillary's speech backfired almost instantly, so while the MSM is doing their best to define it, it actually is hurting the Left.

At some strategic level, the Alt-Reichtards & the "Alt-Right" are fighting. This separates out the MAGA Coalition and the New Right members. So, this helps the G-E, which isn't a bad thing. Plus, Vox gets more skulls to decorate with.

Spacebunny won't be pleased, but that's not much of an issue for the SDL.

Anonymous Strange Aeons September 05, 2017 7:50 AM  

Wanderer -
I get what you're saying, but if we abandon ship now, where does it end? Any future movement that proved successful would draw the same external fire and LARPer infiltration, so I think kneejerk retreat sets an ill-advised precedent.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 7:58 AM  

Any future movement that proved successful would draw the same external fire and LARPer infiltration, so I think kneejerk retreat sets an ill-advised precedent.

Exactly. Remember, David Duke and the Swastika Panties weren't interested in the Alt-Right until it got traction. They will do exactly the same to New Right, Fairy Right, National Alliance, American Right, or anything else you attempt to call THE SAME DAMN THING.

What part of Point 3 is hard to understand?

The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term.

Give no ground. The mere act of fighting for it creates positive energy. Look at how the LARPers are reeling and screeching after ONE INDIVIDUAL has done nothing but directly call out their claim to be of the Right.

Granted, one Supreme Dark Lord is worth several legions by himself, but still, I didn't even have to summon the Dread Ilk, let alone the VFM.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 05, 2017 8:04 AM  

Today's circus regarding the neo-nat-soc's always causes me to recall the "sovereign citizen" and "militia" movements from a few decades ago, and that however they began, in no time at all they were run and largely populated by alphabet-soup-agency moles, plants and paid-informers.

Every poker game has a patsy. If you look around the table and can't spot him, get a mirror.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2017 8:07 AM  

"He whines about John Scalzi, George RR Martin, and Anglin, because they're all more successful than him."

This is just like the pasty pale zit-faced outcasts in their "Misfits" shirts sitting off by themselves in their little lunchroom corner telling each other they the real cool kids.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 8:09 AM  

"He whines about John Scalzi, George RR Martin, and Anglin, because they're all more successful than him."

If I was as busy envying all these different people that it is claimed I envy, I'd have no time to do anything else.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 05, 2017 8:09 AM  

Why is it that the costumed clowns whose photos dominate the news cycle look like they came straight from Central Casting?

Scripted?

Blogger JACIII September 05, 2017 8:09 AM  

Alt-retard is a powerful weapon on it's own. They are stuck forever in their own endzone. "So, are you saying you aren't retarded? Where is your evidence?" Not a good place to start, especially hard for a retard.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2017 8:10 AM  

"If I was as busy envying all these different people that it is claimed I envy, I'd have no time to do anything else."

SJW always project.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 05, 2017 8:12 AM  

Frankly debating Anglin will be air punching, nothing there but snark.

Tip to Swastipanties if you start up a troop beat the Feds and the Hateorgs to the punch and advertise for Feebs and plants, might as well own it and them.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 05, 2017 8:15 AM  

Wanderer wrote:@8
Personally, I think the brand is cancer at this point. Normies want nothing to do with it. The principles of the Alt-Right are indeed inevitable, but the brand name is worth jack shit.


And what do you suggest Conservatives++?

I know, I know, how about: "National Conservatives"? Oh wait...

Blogger szopen September 05, 2017 8:16 AM  

Nazism descends from fascism, and Italian fascism descends directly from marxism. There is no doubt about it.

quote: " just as Protestantism and Catholicism are rival interpretations of Christianity, so are Fascism and Leninism rival interpretations of Marxism."

http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2017/03/marxism-fascism-and-totalitarianism.html

Anonymous Steve September 05, 2017 8:16 AM  

This looks like it's going to be better than the Mayweather v McGregor bout.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 05, 2017 8:17 AM  

If I were a well-paid PR consultant the first thing I'd do is encourage & fund and provide wardrobe and signage & flags etc. to those who stood forever outside the Overton Window, for the express purpose of dragging everything my employers wanted removed from the OW into that same No Man's Land.

Allies do not fulfill this role. Idiots (useful), enemy agents and dupes tackle it gleefully.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 8:22 AM  

Frankly debating Anglin will be air punching, nothing there but snark.

Actually, I have heard that he's genuinely attempting to bone up on the politics of the Weimar Republic. If my source has it correctly, I already know the mistake he's going to make in that regard.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2017 8:26 AM  

"Actually, I have heard that he's genuinely attempting to bone up on the politics of the Weimar Republic. If my source has it correctly, I already know the mistake he's going to make in that regard."

His defense will be two layers deep... and after that... he will fall apart.

Anonymous JohanS September 05, 2017 8:28 AM  

The debate is a sideshow.

The fact is that Vox Day and Andrew Anglin believe many of the same things:

They believe whites ought to have a homeland and that this homeland ought to be the United States

They both believe that non whites ought to leave the United states.

They both believe that Jews are not Amerians

They both believe women ruin everything.

They both believe that blacks are biologically incompatible with the white state they believe ought to exist in America.

They idea that "National Socialism" is of he ideological right or left is a mere red herring. If Anglin and his Hitler lovers has been more circumspect in their actions, kept a lower profile where swastikas and Hitler fawning is concerned, then Vox Day would look at their agenda and embrace it because it aligns with his own racial and social agenda.

Now he's gonna debate Anglin and discuss economics.

(eye roll)

Blogger JACIII September 05, 2017 8:28 AM  

VD wrote:Frankly debating Anglin will be air punching, nothing there but snark.

Actually, I have heard that he's genuinely attempting to bone up on the politics of the Weimar Republic. If my source has it correctly, I already know the mistake he's going to make in that regard.


Would not want to be in Anglin's shoes actively learning only facts that refute my argument. He will have to do a lot of cherry picking to even support a claim - an honest guy would eventually show up and say, "Um... er.... I was wrong. Sorry for all the fuss."
He'll have to go with "New Improved 2017 Nazis!"

Anonymous JohanS September 05, 2017 8:30 AM  

"If I was as busy envying all these different people that it is claimed I envy, I'd have no time to do anything else"

I'm pretty sure they are giving you credit for being able to whine and envy as well as do other things. And that's a very sensible thing to believe as it matches with documented reality. One can obsess without being disable by your envy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 05, 2017 8:31 AM  

If I were an out and out LARPer of old German political ideology (I hate ideology btw) I would just say a country not run by and for the benefits of the billionaire oligarchs.

Somewhere there is a balance point and we have long past it in favor of the billionaire class of lunatics.

Blogger BassmanCO September 05, 2017 8:34 AM  

JohanS, show us on the doll where Vox touched you.

Blogger Elocutioner September 05, 2017 8:44 AM  

For the alt-reichtard let me spell out the basics so your trolling will perhaps rise above tedious into amusing -

There are TWO major components to national socialism.
There are TWO major components to democratic nationalism.
For each, both parts combined are definitional.
The venn diagram shows some overlap but not all.
The common parts are uninteresting, the differences are.
You can't be in both groups, they're mutually exclusive.
Redefining either group to suit your purposes is unconvincing.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin September 05, 2017 8:46 AM  

A couple more ground rules:

1) Any quotations from Jonah Goldberg or any other Jew authors results in immediate disqualification.

2) You must read prior to our debate the following books:

hitler's revolution
by
richard tedor

Manifesto for Breaking the Financial Slavery to Interest
by
gottfried feder

The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker’s Party And Its General Conceptions
by
gottfried feder

Hit the books, Tonto...

Anonymous BadAssKidRock September 05, 2017 8:50 AM  

Vox: the best way to destroy this retard is to use Glenn Beck's chalkboard and just repeat "socialism = socialism" over and over. Glenn Beck proved this is the most persuasive way.

Blogger SirGroggy September 05, 2017 8:51 AM  

You aren't even white, faggot. You don't have a say in our movement.

Exactly. That's why nobody reads your books and listens to you and stuff. Or debates you.

All the young smart kids who you think you can capture will see through your empty arguments and see ours are superior.

Are you talking about the alt reich? They may well be young kids - but probably not young smart kids.

Nobody wants to buy you're cucked book on Amazon.

The alt reich is more smarter than you and nobody cares about you are cucked book.

The amazon sales rankings must be rigged!

Yep. @voxday isn't nearly as sharp as he LARPs

Alt reich accusing somebody of LARPing. :)

Have you tried being a less dissatisfying failure? Maybe the problem isn't them, if there are so many dissatisfied conservatives for them to market a Fake-Right-That-Wins to. Perhaps the problem is you.

Perhaps the problem is that you can't string together a coherent fucking sentence.

Could these people be more annoying?

Blogger SouthRon September 05, 2017 8:53 AM  

Vox, thanks for doing this. I think one of the greatest purposes you serve is debunking the lies of our enemies.

Religion has killed more people. Nazis are politically right. Japan could invade California.

Okay, not the last one so much, but...

And Anglin?

He's Anglin' for a beating.

Blogger Mats September 05, 2017 8:53 AM  

Where will this debate happen?

Anonymous CarpeOro September 05, 2017 8:55 AM  

That selection of comments was pretty telling of the level of self-awareness they have. Fabian? Really? About says it all (for those who that didn't stand out like a billboard: https://infogalactic.com/info/Fabian_Society). I loathe communists to the bone. I don't give a damn if it is a "kindler, gentler" version either.

Blogger Mocheirge September 05, 2017 8:58 AM  

Could these people be more annoying?
They could try sprinkling Deutsche Woerter into their snark.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 9:00 AM  

He'll have to go with "New Improved 2017 Nazis!"

That won't work either.

A couple more ground rules

That sounds like someone is scared and is planning to run away after accepting. Either way, coup will be counted.

Blogger Koanic September 05, 2017 9:00 AM  

A beating will do him good. Knock the socialism out of him!

Blogger Elocutioner September 05, 2017 9:06 AM  

The irony of white supremacist marxists disqualifying non-whites from debate...

Anonymous Anonymous September 05, 2017 9:12 AM  

Matt Parrot is the most eloquent spokesman for the idea that a combination of nationalism and moderate socialism (but not Hitler fetishism) is the polar opposite of the cultural Marxist globalism which is destroying our people.

Anglin is senselessly provocative. American flags and MAGA hats are sufficient to provoke the left into fury and cause them to make mistakes. Swastikas, on the other hand, repel the bedrock demographic of the American right - White, conservative Christian, patriotic, gun owning small businessmen with large families. How much of Anglin's touted large audience is really just leftists using his site as a recruiting tool? New recruits to Antifa, and new hires at the SPLC, are probably instructed to peruse Daily Stormer to cement their loyalty to cultural Marxism.

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2017 9:14 AM  

@Looking Glass: I think I have made it clear that I have never wanted to stop using Alt-Right as our identifier. I thank Vox for his clarification on the subject.

We are the Alt-Right.

Ad Victoriam.

Blogger Elocutioner September 05, 2017 9:15 AM  

Expanding on the previous list - if you honestly still consider yourself a Nazi, why?

If it's because we didn't have a viable nationalist movement, well, now we do. We explicitly reject most of the Nazi party platform which is socialist.

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2017 9:17 AM  

Is the Andrew Anglin that posted above, really him? If so, he is far more ridiculous than I had imagined.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 05, 2017 9:18 AM  

26. szopen September 05, 2017 8:16 AM
Nazism descends from fascism, and Italian fascism descends directly from marxism. There is no doubt about it.



absolutely a lie, and any historical neophyte can easily refute it.

all that needs be done is to actually read the Communist Manifesto.

"Nazi" is the abbreviation of the German words for "National Socialist Worker's Party".

and German National Socialism predates the birth of Mussolini, as attested by Marx himself in 1848.

German National Socialism descends from the French Socialism and Communism of the 1700s.

certainly, Hitler knew of and adopted ideas from Mussolini. but GNS is the far, FAR older ideology.

http://2m2l2d2d.blogspot.com/2017/08/what-if-i-told-you-that-german-national.html

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 05, 2017 9:22 AM  

You mean he'll run away if you don't saddle up and follow his reading list instructions?

Blogger bw September 05, 2017 9:22 AM  

A couple more ground rules

Half of History and Reality tied behind our backs??

Breaking the Financial Slavery to Interest

Absolutely - but eliminating Usury has nothing to do with Socialism - itself prominent in large part via Jew usury.
The Irony. It bleeds.

Blogger bw September 05, 2017 9:24 AM  

if you don't saddle up and follow..

GAME tactics feint !!

Will Shirley be over VD's head.

Blogger seeingsights September 05, 2017 9:26 AM  

I saw Anglin's post in this thread. Notice that he wants to restrict the use of sources that the debaters can rely on.
To me that says a lot. If certain sources were intellectually poor, why be afraid of it then. Why not relish the chance to knock down allegedly wrong headed sources?

Anonymous Eduardo September 05, 2017 9:35 AM  

Vox Day has sources everywhere.... It is actually scary... I mean in a funny way, cause I actually get curious.

Blogger Mats September 05, 2017 9:43 AM  

VD, another rule: you will have to be fluent in 1930s German

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 9:43 AM  

The funny thing is that he thinks I'm going to rely upon Jonah Goldberg's book. I read it, years ago, and there isn't a single citation in there that made my debate with Greg or will be used in this one.

It's too weak to even be a part of my case. And I've never read any of D'Souza's books.

Blogger roughcoat September 05, 2017 9:44 AM  

I think that's the fake Anglin that posts here regularly. Or at least people have said the Anglin that posts here regularly is fake. It's hard to keep track of the trolls.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 9:44 AM  

VD, another rule: you will have to be fluent in 1930s German

Jawohl, verstehe ich. Machen wir immer so.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 9:47 AM  

Burn!

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 05, 2017 9:50 AM  

37. Andrew Anglin September 05, 2017 8:46 AM
A couple more ground rules:



or what? you're going to bunch up your panties and run home crying to momma?

what you can do is cite various references.

what you CAN'T do is predetermine that:
a - none of your preferred references intentionally Lie or Decieve
b - none of your preferred references are ignorant or incompetent
c - your preferred references are to be the ONLY facts available for consideration

the accuracy and factualness of your references is part and parcel of what is TO BE DETERMINED in the debate. if your reference works are incorrect then, of necessity, the syllogisms that you construct from those precepts are almost guaranteed to be wrong.


37. Andrew Anglin September 05, 2017 8:46 AM
Any quotations from Jonah Goldberg or any other Jew authors results in immediate disqualification.



cute.

so Marx, attesting that German National Socialism is the "True" Socialism, IN 1848, is to be ignored.

((( because ))).

Anonymous PAC September 05, 2017 9:51 AM  

@53

Eliminating usury is central to the "socialism" part of national socialism, which isn't Marxist.

There is nothing conservative about capitalism, which rips traditional social bonds apart. The "socialism" in National Socialism aims to preserve society as an organic whole. This is what Anglo-Americans can't seem to wrap their heads around, whereas it is perfectly obvious to Europeans.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 9:51 AM  

Ad Victoriam!

Blogger Sevron September 05, 2017 9:52 AM  

I'm going to watch of course, but I don't think it will be satisfying. I expect Anglin to assert basic bitch talking points without relevant citation, concede no points, drop a lot of "spicy memes" his retarded readers will think clever, then just abbruptly end it at some point (probably when he's completely covered in shit) and declare himself the winner.

There's no chance prior to 5 minutes ago the guy read a single book on the philosophical and economic bedrock of Nazism.

Blogger Sevron September 05, 2017 10:00 AM  

I also expect a lot of "That may be what it says in your dusty old books, OLD RED MAN, but what the cool kids mean TODAY when they say Nazi..."

Blogger Sam September 05, 2017 10:05 AM  

@47
"Matt Parrot is the most eloquent spokesman for the idea that a combination of nationalism and moderate socialism (but not Hitler fetishism) is the polar opposite of the cultural Marxist globalism which is destroying our people."

It depends on what he means by socialism. If he means state capitalism, sure. If he means social democracy, no. The issue is that
-people judge status based on wealth
-in a working system people work to raise their status and high status is correlated with pro-social behavior
-socialism breaks that
-at the bottom their is the disincentive to work and the bluring of signals, torpedoing positive behavior
-at the top, the increase in status by the lower orders is countered by non-monetary increase in status
-this can be explicit recognition (Japan), but more often it involves the rich engaging in behaviors that are dysfunctional and screw everyone else over

Unfortunately you need 'socialism' in order to get popular support; either people are idiots or they have been burned so many times only explicit aid will get their backing.

So the best way to gain power is to promise maximum socialism and the best way to keep it is to break that promise. Both the Bolsheviks and Nazis followed that path.

"Swastikas, on the other hand, repel the bedrock demographic of the American right - White, conservative Christian, patriotic, gun owning small businessmen with large families"

Do they have hands on the levers of power?

Blogger Peter Jackson September 05, 2017 10:13 AM  

How hard can this be to understand? The word "socialist" is right there in the Nazi party name, FFS.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 05, 2017 10:14 AM  

Anglin why are you such a faggot?

Asking for a friend.

Blogger szopen September 05, 2017 10:19 AM  

@51
Sure, you can argue that nazism is a descendant of other movements. During communist times a lot of Polish books argued nazis ideology owed a lto to German conservatism, Prussian imperialism, German nationalism and so on. I've seen also claims that both nazism and fascism actually directly descend from French revolution. However, the contemporaries clearly linked Hitler's NSDAP to fascism.

Blogger S1AL September 05, 2017 10:22 AM  

"Anglin why are you such a faggot?

Asking for a friend."

Wait... are you saying Steve thinks he's pretty?

--

There's no such thing as "moderate socialism". Socialism is a fundamentally​ extremist position.

Blogger Robert Browning September 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

Why does it matter to you whether National Socialism is right or left. The war is not right versus left. The war is Team Jew versus Team white.

Blogger Bodo Staron September 05, 2017 10:29 AM  

This is going to be such a train wreck for Andrew. He once "debated" Alan Colmes. Colmes had cancer. Basically weak and dying from cancer. A liberal dying from cancer. And Anglin still totally blew it.

Anonymous kHz September 05, 2017 10:35 AM  

Untanglin' the Anglin.

Many on the Fake Right repeat erroneous ideas as to the nature of the Real Right, which likely accounts for some of National Socialism's popularity. If young guys think it's a toss up between Nazis and libertarians, or international capitalism, that's a notion worth dispelling at some point. Would the post-debate Q&A be a good opportunity to drop additional napalm?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 05, 2017 10:40 AM  

Oy vey

Blogger tuberman September 05, 2017 10:41 AM  

AA,

If I sign up do I get a spiffy uniform? I prefer at least Colonel rank. And my ground rules....Not moving to any South American countries, and not drinking any kool-aide. Oh, and would like at least three docile, very blond Fräuleins.

Anonymous fop September 05, 2017 10:48 AM  

Poor little Andrew. You can remove your dredlocks, your veganism, your quasi-buddhist philosophy, your yellow crocks and clove cigarettes - but you are still nothing but a godless little leftist freak.

Kick his ass, VD.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 05, 2017 11:04 AM  

Shouldn't the question be "Is NatSoc as *currently interpreted in the U.S. and Europe* part of the ideological Right or Left?"

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 11:14 AM  

Shouldn't the question be "Is NatSoc as *currently interpreted in the U.S. and Europe* part of the ideological Right or Left?"

No.

Why does it matter to you whether National Socialism is right or left.

Because doing so exposes certain frauds who claim to be of the Right.

Blogger Student in Blue September 05, 2017 11:17 AM  

@55. seeingsights
If certain sources were intellectually poor, why be afraid of it then.

The posture he's striking is that his sources are so superior that it'd waste everyone's time unless Vox debates him on those specific sources. Otherwise he'd supposedly be spending most of his time reading verbatim from the book. Supposedly.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 05, 2017 11:22 AM  

My point was that your opponent lost already basing the argument on some bygone classic form instead of today's realpolitik (if I'm using the term correctly).
Or to rephrase:
Blood and Soil
Blood and Soil
Blood and Soil
Is this Keynesian? Laissez-faire?

Blogger tuberman September 05, 2017 11:28 AM  

AA, I have a plan for taking over DC that should work! First, send in Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Jason Kessler, Chris Cantwell, and Invictus close to one side of the town. This will be the same as the Blitz fake 1940 move into Netherlands and Belgium, and you could even call them your army group B. The police, AntiFa , and most of the MSM will move toward them full tilt to get another hit piece.

But your real force will be people dressed up as lawyers, congresspeople, newsies, and even feminists, all infiltrating from the other side of town. They will be carrying heavy duty squirt guns loaded with strong DMSO, and the most effective laxatives available, and you can hit planned critical targets in the confusion. Then while all your targets are sitting on the John for 24-36 hours, you take over DC and get out your message, How German (anal) is that? What a coup!

Blogger Hazel Motes September 05, 2017 11:34 AM  

vox, what are you going to do about the fact that your presentation is very weak and unprepossessing? i believe your thick, solid, tight, logical arguments will win on that front, but surely you will find a way to shake off that oppressively low hanging cloud of nerdiness and self-absorption that, according to popular opinion, soured every other of your public appearances by making you look gay, clueless, and retarded?

Blogger Ned September 05, 2017 11:37 AM  

So Anglin shows up, asks if Vox read his list, then says "OK then - no debate, and walks away claiming to be the winner.

At any rate, if the poster here is the bonafide Anglin, can his post here possibly illustrate more fear and cuckiness?

Anonymous Anonymous September 05, 2017 11:39 AM  

Unlike the various iterations of leftism, the true right takes a pragmatic, not a dogmatic, approach to political economy.

Libertarianism / classical liberalism is a 1st generation leftist ideology invented by Enlightenment philosophes, and later hijacked for Jewish ethnic interests by Ricardo and Ayn Rand.

Socialism is a 2nd generation leftist ideology invented by Babeuf during the French Revolution, and later hijacked for Jewish ethnic interests by Marx and Trotsky.

Bonapartism is a 1st generation form of radical centrism which borrowed ideas from both the leftist classical liberals and the true right, in the pursuit of glory.

Nazism is a 2nd generation form of radical centrism which borrowed ideas from both the leftist socialists and the true right, in pursuit of glory.

Vox seems to be falsely equating the right with classical liberal economics, while Anglin seems to be falsely equating the right with Nazism.

The right doesn't have a dog in this fight. This looks like a debate between a 1st generation leftist and a 2nd generation radical centrist.

Anonymous Avalanche September 05, 2017 11:46 AM  

@67 "Swastikas, on the other hand, repel the bedrock demographic of the American right - White, conservative Christian, patriotic, gun owning small businessmen with large families"

Do they have hands on the levers of power?


No, but they are enough in numbers to SWARM the levers of power and crush those who do!

Just WHO are you trying to save, LARPing as Nazis, if not exactly those "White, conservative Christian, patriotic, gun owning small businessmen with large families"? What's the POINT of you?

If you only want to smash and destroy things (instead of work carefully to salvage and build up), how do we differentiate you from angry four-year-olds? (Oh, and there's socialism again: destroy, never build a replacement...)

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 05, 2017 11:50 AM  

Serious questions have been raised about Anglin, Spencer and others who claim the title of 'Alt-Right Leader'. Apart from the importance of having no leaders in the present totalitarian environment, these are the very folks who elevated the likes of Obamabot Jason Kessler to a command position in the Charlottesville set-up. Spencer regularly invites the enemy into meetings (the Atlantic to the NPI conference in January). Nazis never were of the right, as has been demonstrated. They're alt-left, really.

Anonymous Killua September 05, 2017 11:51 AM  

Good luck in the debate!

Blogger tuberman September 05, 2017 11:55 AM  

AA is just a cult leader, and serious is a pose for him. He stands for nothing. VD, to me, is a bedrock, and his observations stay close to reality.

Anonymous Rhino September 05, 2017 11:55 AM  

I have a hard time seeing this debate is useful. Arguing with Nazi's about how they're not on the right is rhetorically useless, you just cement the impression that this is an internal schism (e.g. confirming implicitly that Nazism is something that the right deals with).

Arguing about Nazism from an economic standpoint is dialectically useless, nobody in the 30s and 40s had any sort of right-wing economic system anyway, so arguing that Nazis are on the left for economic reasons would apply to all ideologies of the time.

Blogger Ralph September 05, 2017 12:12 PM  

stormfronters = neo- nazis from "The Blues Brothers"

They don't realize that that is how most people see them.

Haha.

Anonymous User September 05, 2017 12:15 PM  

Stormfronters are high school kids who are doing what high school kids have done since forever: make old people uncomfortable however they can. Apparently this includes people who care about French Revolution era political divisions and their clumsy application to US federal and maybe European national politics.

Blogger Student in Blue September 05, 2017 12:24 PM  

you just cement the impression that this is an internal schism (e.g. confirming implicitly that Nazism is something that the right deals with).

Would you rather passively accept and "confirm implicitly" the label that we are all Nazis? With all the baggage that comes with it?

There's a difference between "I don't care what you call me" and accepting what they call you. The former means that there are no "magic words" that will make you stop going out and winning. Rhetorical jujitsu will be uneffective on your mindset.

The latter is accepting the enemy's rhetorical frame, which is very dangerous. It puts you on the defensive immediately, which is not a favorable position.

Blogger John Morris September 05, 2017 12:27 PM  

I'm thinking most are missing the point of the debate. Anglin is not really a Nazi, probably doesn't understand the philosophy. What he is should be obvious, a professional troll. What upsets the establishment and generates as much angst and press as waving the Nazi flag around and joking about gassing Jews?

His sidekick Weev should make that much obvious, he has been trolling almost as long as the Internet has been a thing. Suspect that is Vox's intent, to make that reality obvious to his followers. Whether that is a) a revelation to them and b) they will care is the open question; how many of them are really Nazis vs budding trolls / LARPers? We live in the age of the weaponized meme. If a good beatdown at least drives them out of the limelight for a bit it is worth the effort.

The only part of the article above that could be disagreed with is this: "He didn’t understand how the interwebs worked and he paid the price."

Did anyone think DNS would be attacked so soon? Dailystormer has provided, intended or not, a very useful service there, now we all understand the danger. It, of course, didn't end with just dailystormer and stormfront. And building an Alt-Registrar is something that needs doing, but Law 2 says it won't work. The same forces that caused every single registrar in the world, including the "bulletproof" ones that host slavers, terrorists, child rapists, malware control nodes and spammers won't allow Alt-Registrar to plug into the root DNS servers. We need to see that happen before enough people believe the level of threat that exists. "They" didn't break the core of the Internet just to stop a troll. This is war.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 05, 2017 12:31 PM  

Man, I used to think the Nazi stuff was just a meme. I'm amazed how serious they are about it and how stupid and nasty they are on a personal level. Is their PR strategy intended to turn people who had neutral dispositions towards them violently hate them? Because that's the effect it's having on me at least. Of course they're blind to any real consequences. Yeah, I guess they really are leftists.

Anonymous peppermint September 05, 2017 12:31 PM  

Make him explain how UBI is right-wing, and get him to explain his kooky consciousness before matter spiritual theories.

Blogger maniacprovost September 05, 2017 12:33 PM  

The "socialism" in National Socialism aims to preserve society as an organic whole.

by instituting a new system of governing society that has never been successful, and has only vague antecedents in places like Venice.

This is what Anglo-Americans can't seem to wrap their heads around, whereas it is perfectly obvious to Europeans.

We understand the goal of socialism and fascism quite well. Understanding an idiotic idea doesn't equal agreeing with it. Socialism and Fascism are both implemented using the false assumption of absolute value- that central authority can determine what individual actions are best for the proletariat / nation.

Blogger Carl September 05, 2017 12:38 PM  

I believe everyone understands that "Dems R the Real Racists" (DR3) fails on a rhetorical level. How does "Nazis are the real leftists" not fail in exactly the same way?

Blogger Elocutioner September 05, 2017 12:43 PM  

@Solaire - Weird, right?

"Wow, those guys call themselves Nazis and they're pretty adamant about it and are complete freaks. They say they're alt-right? Man, I hate those alt-right guys now." Which prompts some new names to say "why do you care so much about differentiating yourselves? We're all nationalists and on the same side..."

Seems legit.

We're finally getting normies to accept that racist is a nonsense term applied universally by the left, but then we have the Nazis showing up with actual racial hatred claiming they're us.

Blogger S1AL September 05, 2017 12:48 PM  

"I believe everyone understands that "Dems R the Real Racists" (DR3) fails on a rhetorical level. How does "Nazis are the real leftists" not fail in exactly the same way?"

The reason DR3 fails is that everyone on the right already knows that, and everyone on the left is willing to ignore it.

What do you think, hypothetically speaking, will happen if/when the LARP'ers start swarming Bernie Bro groups going "greetings, fellow leftists"?

Besides, Socialist = Leftist is an easy sell.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 05, 2017 12:49 PM  

Did anyone think DNS would be attacked so soon?

In a general sense, there were people warning about too much centralization of network services into one Internet to rule them all, back when it was starting to take off in the mid-1990s. Work on new protocols that would be more distributed and resilient has been going on for years, but slowly since they seemed mostly of academic interest. But did anyone specifically expect them to go after domain registrations at this point? No. Now work on those new protocols is stepping up.

It's not that we missed this coming because they kept their master plan secret, in my opinion. I don't think there was a master plan. I think it was much like the statues coming down: leftists whipped themselves into more of a frenzy than usual after Charlottesville, and the media outrage made them feel like they could justify anything they wanted to do, so they looked for more ways to attack. They got Daily Stormer booted from a converged registrar (GoDaddy?) fairly easily. Then, flush with victory, they figured, "Hey, that was easy, could we do it again? And again?" Turns out they could, at least several times.

Blogger Elocutioner September 05, 2017 12:50 PM  

I'm starting to think all of these Nazis like dogs and small children, just like their Fuhrer.

Blogger kurt9 September 05, 2017 12:51 PM  

You see, Vox Day, you will do more to discredit the "neo-nazi" right than all of the liberal-left types in the U.S. combined. The liberals are as stupid as they are inept.

Blogger VD September 05, 2017 12:55 PM  

vox, what are you going to do about the fact that your presentation is very weak and unprepossessing? i believe your thick, solid, tight, logical arguments will win on that front, but surely you will find a way to shake off that oppressively low hanging cloud of nerdiness and self-absorption that, according to popular opinion, soured every other of your public appearances by making you look gay, clueless, and retarded?

Not a damn thing. I'm not trying to convince the retards who think I talk like a fag. They are totally irrelevant.

Anonymous Rhino September 05, 2017 12:56 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:you just cement the impression that this is an internal schism (e.g. confirming implicitly that Nazism is something that the right deals with).

Would you rather passively accept and "confirm implicitly" the label that we are all Nazis? With all the baggage that comes with it?


Ignoring them makes more sense. Any publicity is good publicity.

Blogger Sevron September 05, 2017 1:01 PM  

No, it isn't. C'vile, for example, was bad publicity.

Anonymous map September 05, 2017 1:07 PM  

VD,

Fascism usually arises as an antidote to Bolshevism. Bolshevism divides and conquers a territory by introducing a form of tribalism. Instead of "Russians," you have "worker" and "oppressor." Bolshevism is also international in scope, as in "workers of the world unite."

Fascism fights Bolshevism by adopting its tools and using them against it. Fascism takes the tribalism of the Bolshevik, and divides the worker between "national" and "foreign." The foreign becomes the oppressor working against the national. It's agree and amplify, in game terms.

Fascism uses the weapons of the Bolshevik against the Bolshevik. This is why there is so much similarity between Fascism and Bolshevism, why so many writers insist on Fascism being "of the Left." The Fascist captures the state apparatus created by the Bolshevik, and puts it to use to benefit a more refined tribalism than the one presented by the Bolshevik. The Bolshevik is defenseless against this attack because it cannot offer a better program for the subsist of people the fascist benefits.

Of course, in the absence of the Bolshevik threat, building a fascist state is colossally stupid. But because fascism never appeared before Bolshevism, you can tell that these are entirely temporary states.

Anonymous map September 05, 2017 1:23 PM  

Building Fascism in the absence of fighting Bolshevism is just making the same error as the Communists.

Blogger S'mon September 05, 2017 1:53 PM  

Could Anglin not be both "Right Wing" *and* inimical to white survival? Like his hero Adolf? AFAICT Nazism was (a) generally supported by Germany's Right and (b) the worst thing that ever happened to the European race, possibly dooming us.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 2:05 PM  

Just saw the meme that brought the hammer down on Gab.
Totally pointless. A closeted anti-white shill could not have come up with a better form of sabotage (well maybe leading several thousand alt-right into a trap at C'ville, a la Kessler, is a bigger move). Now gab is having to do damage control, because someone wanted attention no matter the cost to the movement.
There is ZERO benefit to a meme like that. All it is going to do is turn the sympathetic off. I know VD has said this a thousand times, but still these guys persist apparently.

VD is going to school this guy, mercilessly.

Blogger Ceasar September 05, 2017 2:16 PM  

The problem is that they put more value in "signaling" (white signaling) then they do in achieving success. Similar to SJWs. They do not seem to be able to forgo their favorite tactics that derail a more coherent strategy (assuming they have one).

Blogger Cail Corishev September 05, 2017 2:19 PM  

Just saw the meme that brought the hammer down on Gab.
Totally pointless. A closeted anti-white shill could not have come up with a better form of sabotage


One might wonder whether he was trying to reach an audience, or trying to force Gab into the penalty box with him because it's lonely in there.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 05, 2017 2:34 PM  

@110 Now gab is having to do damage control, because someone wanted attention no matter the cost to the movement.

The left wouldn't have stopped attacking us if only Anglin had kept quiet. They would have just focused their wrath on someone else. These aren't reasonable people and they can't be appeased as long as your life and liberty remain intact.

We're seeing a test of the tech giants' ability to collude to silence Anglin across the web, and it would be foolish to assume that they don't intend to eventually use this capability against any influential Alt Righters they can identify. If they call you a Nazi, they lump you in with Anglin and they intend to silence you. They won't stop attacking because of some explanation that Nazis are really leftists, logical and correct though it may be.

Anonymous Mike Rock September 05, 2017 2:41 PM  

For background music you can humor him at the start with Die Fahne hoch (Horst-Wessel-Lied), and when you tromp him into the mud, decapitate him and place his skull on the pyramid, finish up with a crescendo of the Ride of the Valkyries.....

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 05, 2017 2:43 PM  

gay, clueless, and retarded?

Vox, if you come off looking like that, the AltReich will elect you Chancellor.

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2017 3:05 PM  

@Mike Rock: I am rather fond of 'Panzerlied' and 'Oh Du Schöner Westerwald' myself.

Blogger Student in Blue September 05, 2017 3:09 PM  

@105. Rhino
Ignoring them makes more sense. Any publicity is good publicity.

Ignore who, the media or the swastika-panties?

If you want free publicity, you simply trigger the media harder. That's not simply ignoring them.

And it's become apparent that simply ignoring the swastika-panties is no good either, as they both take shots at us and more importantly vindicate the media when they throw roman salutes and screech "hail victory", not trigger them. You trigger people by inducing cogdis in them after all, not by reinforcing what they inherently believe.

Not to mention that when it comes to brass tacks, national socialism as per Hitler just didn't work out all that well. So rhetorically AND dialectically, it just doesn't work.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 3:14 PM  

That makes sense. It's an insight that could go far in explain much of the self-sabotaging behavior of these guys.

Couldn't these guys be used tactically to great effect? I guess they would have to yield on strategy first, and give up fantasies of being chancellor one day....

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 3:17 PM  

Could it just be a way of bonding with each other? Is that who they are trying to signal to? It's unfortunate especially given our long-awaited success in other areas.

Blogger Matthew Funk September 05, 2017 3:47 PM  

People who prize getting credit over achieving goals will always undermine goals. They would rather jockey for a large percentage of a small pie rather than a decent percentage of a huge pie, even if the latter is MUCH bigger in terms of whole numbers. The people who use the term Alt Right while trying to establish themselves as some sort of icon aren't concerned about any cause greater than their own aggrandizement. This is why they are easily overwhelmed in the face of a Charlottesville situation, they don't even study their enemy, they still think this is a game and a place for jesters. This all said, I prefer to promote superior options rather than denounce inferior ones. Promoting a genius is a better use of time than insulting an idiot.

Blogger J Curtis September 05, 2017 4:41 PM  

From Anglin's Wikipedia info...

"In 2012, Anglin wrote that he found the locals (Filipinos) to be "a civilized, non-aggressive and industrious people" but he eventually became lonely and only wanted to associate with members of his own race, and "By the Grace of God, I found Adolf Hitler".

In 2012, Anglin launched his first website, Adventure Quest 2012, which discussed conspiracy theories, most particularly the Reptilians."

Gawd, this is going to be a bloodbath.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 05, 2017 4:52 PM  

Socialism and Fascism are both implemented using the false assumption of absolute value- that central authority can determine what individual actions are best for the proletariat / nation.

@97 maniacprovost
It looks, then, that socialism and fascism are offshoots of Enlightenment thought: that man can rationally create a perfectly functioning society without God.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 05, 2017 5:06 PM  

That's true. A good point.

Anonymous BanjoStrap September 05, 2017 5:28 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:It looks, then, that socialism and fascism are offshoots of Enlightenment thought:

This but worse. The Anglo-American Enlightenment produced a very different sort of utopianism from the wider continental variety so where as you see a functioning society and cultural flourishing for the Scots and English through out the 18th century the French collapse in on themselves and German intellectualism becomes incredulously nihilistic. I don't think it's any accident that during and following the 18th century America and Britain to a smaller extant undergo several great religious revivals while the Europeans double-down on secular rationalism and it's from continental Europe that Socialism, Marxism, and then Fascism arise. Native born Americans have never had any desire for these Ism's but you find it arriving as a plague with the unwashed European horde.

Blogger Critical G September 05, 2017 5:32 PM  

This is going to be great!

Blogger DeploraBard September 05, 2017 5:34 PM  

The John Stewart strategy, I liked that

Blogger S1AL September 05, 2017 5:45 PM  

Erm.

The notion of centrally-planned economies reaches back to far earlier than the Enlightenment.

I swear, there's a subset of people for whom the Enlightenment is the equivalent of "The Jews" for the Reichtards.

Blogger Whisker biscuit September 05, 2017 5:49 PM  

Glad to see Heartiste taking Anglins side.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 05, 2017 6:20 PM  

Glad to see Heartiste taking Anglins side.

Er ... why?

Blogger S1AL September 05, 2017 7:08 PM  

Me too. Just goes to demonstrate that he's a genuine NatSoc at heart.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger September 05, 2017 7:12 PM  

szopen wrote:@51
However, the contemporaries clearly linked Hitler's NSDAP to fascism.

"Linked" is such a weasel word. At best, it means somehow, in some way, maybe one thing is connected to another.

To be more precise, the link between Fascism and Hitler's NSDAP is that Hitler admired Mussolini. He regarded Fascism as a friendly movement. The sincerety of his admiration is testified by how much it cost Hitler in the long run to back il Duce. But in no way is German National Socialism a descendant of fascism; Hitler would have risen and done pretty much the same thing if there had been no Mussolini. The best you can say is that the two movements evolved in parallel, with a bit of cross-pollination going on.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 05, 2017 7:18 PM  

Hitler admired Mussolini

Maybe. Read Hitler in Hell. The author disagrees, and probably has more knowledge of the relevant matters in his little finger.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger September 05, 2017 7:29 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - wrote:"Nazi" is the abbreviation of the German words for "National Socialist Worker's Party".
Close, but no cigars for you. The correct translation of National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is "National Socialist German Worker's Party". That Hitler's movement was both national and socialist is crucial to any understanding of Nazism. Unlike the Communist Internationals, Nazism did not care about converting the world to socialism. They wanted to convert Germany to a unique form of Socialism that was suitable to the specific needs of the German people.

Thus, Nazism is not only--by self-declaration--Socialist, it is also irrelevant to anyone but Germans. And oddly enough, there was hardly a Nazi to be found in Germany after 1946. That is one of the reasons why LARPers running around the U.S.A. today in "Nazi" uniforms and sig heiling are ludicrous. They clearly have no clue what they are doing.

Blogger Scott Birch September 05, 2017 7:34 PM  

@Hazel Motes "Popular opinion"

ie "Stacy and Becky said you look gay"

Mean girl lives don't mattee, Hazel.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger September 05, 2017 7:49 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:Hitler admired Mussolini

Maybe. Read Hitler in Hell. The author disagrees, and probably has more knowledge of the relevant matters in his little finger.


Why do people always tell me to read books I've already read? I'm a great admirer of Prof. Dr. van Creveld's earlier work, but his output has declined of late. Considering his advanced age, that's not surprising. Hitler in Hell is amusing, but cannot be confused with a history. It is more of a self-indulgence than anything else--after all, van Creveld enjoys membership of the only group on Earth that would be permitted to write such a book.

It would be difficult to explain many of Hitler's actions if he did not favor Mussolini on a personal level. Mussolini was certainly worse than useless as an ally. For example, Hitler let Italy keep South Tyrol--an ethnically German province. He pulled Mussolini's chestnuts out of the fire by invading Yugoslavia (Operation Marita) and then Greece; he sent Rommel to stiffen the Italians in North Africa (only to have the silly goose go on the offensive and make a hero of himself, thus making him a liability that had to be supported). I suppose one could attribute sending Skorzeny to rescue Mussolini at Gran Sasso to Hitler's self-interest: it was advantageous to create as much confusion as possible to blunt Italian resistance to the German take-over...but as Mussolini said to Skorzeny on the occasion, "I knew that my friend would not forsake me!".

Blogger Whisker biscuit September 05, 2017 8:11 PM  

He's a more articulate intellectual than Vox. He sees the big picture and never gets bogged down in pissing contests.

Anonymous Raker Tooth September 05, 2017 11:16 PM  

@14 "FFS, give up the idiotic "brand" talk. It's totally irrelevant."
Particular or universal? That is,
Particular: Don't focus on a brand, this is once again, a philosophy which wrecks the toxic left, not a movement which worries about its image.
Universal: This is what I'm struggling with. That is, certain brands are seared into the popular conscience. Sickle and hammer, skull and bones, and swastika. They make brands look quite relevant. Not trying to be belligerent, but at this precise juncture, you could save me some time and effort on a different road.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 06, 2017 3:41 AM  

To paraphrase the man himself, Andrew Anglin is just a crybaby who can’t take the heat. He asked for it and it serves him right. He didn’t understand how the interwebs worked and he paid the price.
Andrew Anglin blew the leftist control of the Internet wide open for everyone to see and got the Martin Niemoller reaction going in response.  In contrast, you have been so invisible that you're still hosted by Google.

I smell jealousy.  You should be giving props to the man.  He did what you did not... what you could not.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 06, 2017 6:55 AM  

Miss Derational wrote:I smell jealousy.  You should be giving props to the man.  He did what you did not... what you could not.
What no honest person would want to do.

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Blogger S1AL September 06, 2017 8:42 AM  

Huh. And here I thought it was only the gamma nitwits who couldn't understand the Nazi conundrum.

Let me spell it out again.

By willfully associating yourself with Nazism, you automatically alienate about 99% of the population, thereby rendering any blowback you receive as "they had it coming". This has the effect of muting any agreement with legitimate complaints (e.g. net censorship) by leaving open the option of "it's just Nazis, so what".

This means that the idea that only Anglin could have done this is utter bullshit. In point of fact, the cries of outrage should have been enormous from across the political spectrum, except... Nazis.

That's reality. Deal with it.

Blogger maniacprovost September 06, 2017 8:56 AM  

Andrew Anglin blew the leftist control of the Internet wide open for everyone to see

In such a way that instead of everyone uniting to defend freedom of discourse on the internet, everyone said, "eh, censorship must be a good thing."

Anglin personally started the internet down the slope to total leftist thought control.

Blogger S1AL September 06, 2017 9:04 AM  

Maybe we can name this after him. Call it the "Anglin Effect". It's the inverse of the Streisand Effect.

Anonymous KRYST September 06, 2017 6:09 PM  

shut up cruz faggot I had mormon prez candidates tweeting about me

one of me is worth 8billion (((teds)))

if you have a problem with me, then take it up with your gamma dark leader that doubles down like a gamma boomer faggot obsessed with jewish dick. (((ted))) will double down on jew dick because it's all he knows. he also knows putting the word irish in parenthesis was a boomer jew mistake. it's the only reason I post on any of these fagggot jew alt right alt kike sites. (((Ted))) counter signaled a month before the election and was prepared to lose and keep putting white people in parenthesis. he didn't know I waited 7 years to destroy whoever ran as DNC in 2016- in true roman prince fashion. you are all shit tier. keep squabbling about fuck nothing. (((ted))) loves mentally ill fitjuice!!! (((ted))) loves smelly greek shit tier jew cock!!! all the old jew fags and loser proles here will continue to hear it from me because it's true. fuck all your virtue signal counter signal bs. (((ted))) started it and all the alt right errrrr kike honeypots continued it. where would you all be without me delivering in late October? you'd be right here doing the same shit- squeaking about who's da real alt kike!! y'all need some fucking diapers. you are all fake. i am real. if any of you want to kiss a ring come and get it bishhhhes. the strongest sword is forged in the hottest fire. none of you could do what I've done because you all live in a euro cave in my ancestral homeland, (((ted))), or in fucking arctic circle canada. you are also all beta dweebs or gammas that eat jew dick for a living. the one pithy gay army guy on here is good but he's still a fag- he'd even agree because he's cool. I see no alphas in the alt right alt kike. geographic destiny- I manifested it. none of you have it. now shut the fuck up all of you fags, jews, and honeypotters. bow down in the presence of something greater than yourself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 06, 2017 6:46 PM  

KRYST wrote:I AMAN ENORMOUS FAGGET!!!!!

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